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120 26/07/06 I was very surprised that LBH put their article about the current Crossrail news right at the back of the Living in Havering newsletter that all households receive. It made me feel that they were almost disappointed that Romford and Brooklands may be spared! Do you have any idea on how long it will be until we receive any concrete news on the change of location? Many, many thanks for all of your hard work.

C.A.G. Reply: Many thanks for your message board submission.  I am unable to comment on the Havering publication as I haven’t received one yet.  We have certainly received the full support of Council Leader, Michael White and have enjoyed a good working relationship with Havering Council Planning Officers, although it has to be said that they have had to work on the assumption that the depot would go ahead and so our contact with them has been more connected with effects during construction and mitigation.  It would be interesting to know who writes and compiles these publications and what criteria are used for order of importance.  We have addressed other points of your query on our homepage.

Sue Fendt
119 21/06/06 Well Done C.A.G - all your hard work, blood, sweat and tears have paid off.  As a former resident of Beechfield Gardens, I know first hand how many man/woman hours go into keeping a campaign going.  The whole community owe C.A.G a great debt for fighting their corner. Denise Warwick
118 18/06/06 Lets hope that the Crossrail Select Committee see sense and follow Derek Twiggs' proposal to move the depot to a more suitable location.
Also let's not forget that its not over 'til the fat lady sings, so keep fighting everyone until we know for sure its not going to be located here!
In the meantime I would like to thank all those at C.A.G who tirelessly fight the cause on our behalf, and whose efforts are much appreciated.  Thank you!
Keith
117 17/06/06 Just a note to say that Romford Labour Party welcomes the news that Romford is no longer the preferred option for the Depot. We congratulate you on a well structured, informative and well run campaign.  Well done! Romford Labour Party
116 06/06/06 Let's all keep our fingers crossed about the latest bit of news! Thanks C.A.G for keeping us up to date on what's happening. Sue
115 24/03/06 I just wanted to say many thanks for to all of you at CAG for all of your hard work regarding this issue. It is much appreciated that you keep us up to date and work so diligently to try and save us from the implications of this project.  Keep up the hard work. Hoping to see you at the quiz night.

C.A.G. Reply: Thank you for your kind words, they keep us motivated!  As for the quiz night... let the battle commence!

Sue Fendt
114   Hi! Where exactly do you think the process is today? Thanks

C.A.G. Reply: Hi Jason,  Crossrail is now at the Select Committee stage.  It will take up to 18 parliamentary months to complete during which time the Select Committee will have to sift its way through around 350 petitions and listen to the evidence and cross examination of all petitioners.  As I understand it the petitions will be heard in ‘blocks’ and at the end of each ‘block’ the committee will announce it’s findings.  We expect this area to be heard any time from April onwards.  I spoke to a Mrs Liddiard on the phone today and I assume that this is not coincidence and that you are related.  It was only after putting the phone down that it dawned on me that the name is very familiar.  I wonder if it is the same Mrs Liddiard who was a lunchtime assistant at Crowlands a few years back.  Mmm, small world?

Jason Liddiard
113 17/01/06 Your reply to Mr Newman is absolutely spot on! He is obviously very ignorant, in the true sense of the word.  Keep up the good work C.A G. There are lots of us out here still supporting you.

C.A.G. Reply: Thank you Sue.

Sue
112 15/01/06 It is sad once again, that the Nimbys are at it again, against the greater good. Instead of fighting against this project you should be supporting this vital scheme. The South East region competiveness has been handicapped with delays for too long, we need copy Paris and Berlin and complete these vital transport links so that people can easily get to better paid jobs.

C.A.G. Reply: I too am sad that yet again someone who will be unaffected by the depot development sees fit to attack us without actually taking the trouble to read our website properly.  If you take the trouble to read CAG's aims and objectives it will soon become clear that we are not trying to scupper the whole Crossrail scheme, far from it.  We are attempting to prove that there are alternative sites for the 24 hour train maintenance depot, that either already exist or that could be built in areas where it would affect fewer homes.  The proposed development for Romford is logistically difficult, leaving engineers to have to come up with expensive designs, whereas to use other more easily accessible or existing locations, would save the Crossrail scheme money.  It seems a shame that it has become fashionable, and I must say boring, to use the phrase NIMBY so readily, yet unfashionable to care about one's home, family and environment.  Please read with more care.
 

Nicholas Newman Editor Oxford Prospect
 
111 20/12/05 I would like to take this opportunity to wish my colleagues on the C.A.G. committee a very Happy Christmas and a healthy and happy 2006.  We have come a long way in the last year and have found strengths we didn't know we had.  We have supported each other in a way that is quite amazing, as we have known each other for a relatively short time.  It has been quite a surreal experience and one that isn't over yet.  So, have a good rest over the holidays all, and I look forward to seeing you all in the new year.  Our thanks too, to those of you who deliver our newsletters for us.  You are a much needed source of support.  Crossrail here we come!  Barbara.

Barbara Smith
110 10/10/05 I have been looking at the 358 petitions against Crossrail and it has amazed me to see how many people have put pen to paper on this very important issue.  If anyone has got the time to read these, its very worthwhile.  I know it makes quite heavy reading but it's eye opening.  Let us all hope and prey that the select committee take a lot of notice in all this hard work that all the 358 petitioners have submitted.

C.A.G. Reply: Thank you for your message.  We too have found the many petitions very interesting and it is amazing to see who they have been submitted by.  To read the petitions please visit Petitions Against Crossrail on our News and Info page.

Ron Treslove
109 28/09/05 I heard a report last week saying that work on Crossrail has been delayed by at least a year and that there is now pressure for any works (should the funds for the project ever arrive) to be delayed until after the Olympics in 2012. Have we heard anything along these lines?

C.A.G. Reply: Hello and thanks for your enquiry.  I too, heard the report on funding last week.  It was a brief mention on the BBC London news and they said that the review in to local government funding has been delayed until the end of next year.  Ken Livingstone has always maintained that a decision in to how much funding for Crossrail can come from local government cannot be made until after the review.  The report did say that it could put the project back by 12 months but I would not be so sure about that as funding is being sought from other sources too and I wouldn't imagine that local governments would be expected to stump up anywhere near the £15 to £16b cost (as stated by the Transport minister at the second reading of the Bill).  You also mention the Olympics.  I have read an internet article (sorry, I can't remember where now) that said that Norman Haste, who was Crossrail's CEO until this spring, has made a suggestion that Crossrail should be postponed until after the Olympics.  A recent article in the Yellow Advertiser shows that Roger Evans, GLA representative for Havering and Redbridge and Chairman of the Transport Committee at the London Assembly, agrees with this.  Do they know something we don't? 

I would like to point out that any postponement of the scheme will not necessarily mean that Romford is saved from the Crossrail Depot.  A procedure called 'safeguarding' has been adopted by Crossrail.  This means that any area of land they have included in the Bill, cannot be built upon or significantly altered, without consultation with Crossrail - in case they get the go ahead in the future.  For example, they wouldn't be too pleased if  an area they wanted to use had blocks of flats built on it - imagine the amount it would cost in compulsory purchase orders in the future - so they 'safeguard' their interest by ensuring that they are consulted on any project that may affect their plans.

I'm sorry I can't be more positive about this. Although  I have to say that the cost of the project has doubled from £10b (2002 first quarter prices)  to £15b - £16b at current prices - that is a 50%+ increase in three years.  If the cost continues to increase at the same rate, that would mean at least £22b by 2008, £33b by 2011 etc.  The whole thing starts to take on horrendous proportions doesn't it. 

Captain Beefheart
108 20/07/05 Regarding the Crossrail debate in Parliament 19th July 2005.  I would like to say thank you to Andrew Rosindell MP for Romford, for putting across so well the case regarding the Crossrail Depot that Crossrail propose to build in Romford.  Yes, we all know its in the wrong place except Crossrail. Please, Crossrail, take another look at the North Pole Depot Site in West London.  This is being be vacated by Eurostar in 2007 and if Crossrail use it this will save taxpayers £430 million pounds and Romford from unnecessary construction and 24 hour maintenance noise, oss of Green Belt, Football Pitches and a Depot 15 metres tall in the middle of a residential area.  Other MP's are at long last now waking up to the fact that this railway is being built in the wrong place. The logical route is via the new Thames Gateway development where all the houses are going to be built.  Lets all hope that Crossrail stays a Ghost train on a Phantom track for Romford's sake. Alan Clarke
107 19/07/05 I am most impressed on how Andrew Rosindell put our case across in the House of Commons this evening.  I am not a political man, but I think he has done us proud today.  Also that he mentioned our website address, well done!  Need I mention about what the MP for Ilford was saying?  At first he was saying how very much his constituency was going to be very much affected by the noise, dirt, lorries etc all night long and at the end of  his speech, he was all for Crossrail.  How can he be so two faced?  If I lived in his constituency, I would be after him to retract his words or retire.  Again, well done Andrew! Let us all hope that they will rethink about using Romford as a depot. 

C.A.G. Reply: Andrew Rosindell certainly did do us proud and we thank him very much.  It was remarkable to see just how many MPs from other constituencies were against aspects of the bill.  A few words of support, from John Cruddas MP (Barking and Dagenham) for the C.A.G. members of Chadwell Heath, were gratefully received.  Thank you for your message Ron.

Ron Treslove
106 07/07/05 Replying to posting 103, I often walk across the 'field' with my daughter. Recently we saw a robin, a wren, a pied wagtail, and believe it or not, we saw two mallard ducks in the tiny stream. They were probably only resting there, but it was so lovely to see.  It will be terrible if we lose this wonderful little wildlife reserve in our midst.

C.A.G. Reply: Thank you Susan, it is wonderful that Romford is home to such diversities.

Susan
105  24/06/05 I have just got onto the online message board and read what Mr James Cooper said about Mr Gambrill: it's words out of my mouth and he couldn't have put it better.  Also, he must have read that compensation was also talked about.  I know it's early times to talk about such things, but if it's alright for our Brentwood  neighbours surely it must affect us in our town.  The most important thing though is that we do not want this Crossrail under any price. Ron Treslove
104  19/06/05 I live in Romford and have recently become aware of the work that is proposed by Crossrail in Brentwood.  It has been said that 35 families have to be temporarily removed from their homes for up to 7 months because of the work that will go ahead.
Bernard Gambrill has twice in two weeks been to talk to the Brentwood residents about this upheaval. However when it comes to the affected Romford residents he refuses to come here and personally talk to those affected.  Does this show that he cannot be bothered to talk to any of the people that his scheme will affect?  Evidently not.
Or does this show the extent of the fear that he has, knowing that he cannot as easily placate those who will suffer 6 years of disruption and construction work in Romford, which is a little different to 18 months that the people of Brentwood will suffer?
My sympathy goes out to the Brentwood residents, but how lucky they are that Crossrail have taken the trouble to send the 'big guns' down to meet them.

C.A.G. Reply: Thank you very much for your message, it's nice to hear from you.  You make many valid points here. 

James Cooper
103 16/06/05 In reply to post 102, it's lovely to hear that the boys were able to enjoy the wildlife on Westlands Rough.  It's important that our young generations learn to value our natural environments, something that organisations, such as Crossrail or our dear 'Red Ken', are trying to prevent.  This is a great shame as, as our 'areas of natural interest' are being taken away, there are becoming fewer and fewer chances for such moments of appreciation to take place.

C.A.G. Reply: Thankyou for your submission Mr Arnold.  It's lovely to hear from new people.  We agree with you; should Crossrail take Westlands Rough, future members of the 10th Romford Scouts will not have the opportunity to enjoy it as those before them have.

Mr G Arnold
102 14/06/05

12 boys from the 10th Romford St Andrews Scout Group (Beaver Pack) based at St Agnes Hall, Jutsums Lane, Romford visited Westlands Rough tonight (14th June 2005) as part of their environmental awareness.  Although the weather was overcast the boys were able to see the many types of trees and plants that occur on Westlands Rough. Upon returning to St Agnes Hall all 12 boys were presented with Explorer Badges for their uniforms.  Many Thanks to the 10th Romford St Andrews Scout Group for their continued support.

C.A.G. Reply: Indeed, thank you to the group for showing their support.  We hope you all enjoyed discovering the large amount of wildlife that lives on Westlands Rough.

Alan Clarke
101 10/05/05 Well done to all those who took part in Saturday's Football Match.  Despite being battered by the horrible weather, everybody still managed to enjoy themselves.  Perhaps the next match could be C.A.G. against a team from Crossrail, then we could sort the 'Men from the Boys'.  I know who my money would be on!!! Denise Warwick

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